Is ATP switching something over to Part 141? Has anyone heard anything about if it’s only certain parts of the program? I was confused because I was certain the program is Part 61, but I saw some indications through the website where only Part 141 is mentioned and Part 61 isn’t mentioned anywhere anymore. Heard some rumors around my TC as well, so just curious what may be changing with the program, or if maybe I’m just feeding into a rumor.
Raina
I’ve heard nothing of the kind…
Adam
Raina,
ATP is a P61 with a “syllabus” (aka a program outline).
Do you have any reference or screenshots that you could share? I’d be interested in seeing the dialogue, truthfully.
Brady
Brady,
Unfortunately, nothing very solid. I asked my instructor if I should begin the Instrument Elevates in my free time, but he told me to hold off because from what he heard (and from talking with the lead) the Instrument stage is looking to go Part 141 sometime in September, in which case there won’t be Instrument Elevates and there’s going to be in-person classes only. He mentioned something about it making checkride dates easier to acquire sooner? Something along those lines. I guess it could be TC specific, but that wouldn’t make sense because ATP is all about uniformity.
Nothing from the website explicitly states that ATP is 141 or 61, currently. But there is this one area where it states that flight training is done in excess of FAA Part 141 minimums and I guess I just wonder why it wouldn’t say in excess of Part 61 minimums… but this could honestly be grasping at strings. The most “official” things I’ve heard are from instructors at my TC.
Raina
The website that’s that because part 141 minimums are ridiculously low and very few people are able to complete their ratings in the minimum amount of time that part 141 specifies.
I have heard this rumor of switching some parts of the program to part 141, but so far it is just a rumor. I would follow your instructor’s recommendations on this.
Chris
Even if they’re saying not to study based on this rumor?
Adam
Thanks y’all for the input and sorry for the late reply!
I do agree that the Instrument Elevates, even if they will be discontinued, are a resource that I should absolutely take advantage of if I have the time. I guess my instructor was just telling me in terms of credit, it won’t count for anything, but in terms of what I will gain in knowledge from it, it is worth a lot more.
I do believe this Part 141 thing is becoming a reality, though. Spoke with a TSS who was updating me on announcements from the monthly all-students meeting that I missed, and she mentioned the 141 transition as well (for Instrument I assume). She had to go somewhere before I could solidify further details, but it appears to be more than a rumor currently.
Raina
Changing to a Part 141 operation would make ATP available for VA funding if I’m not mistaken, which would be an absolutely fantastic development for veterans like me who are still working depressing corporate jobs to save up enough money for ATP.
Correct me if I’m wrong…
Jake,
It depends… I thought the GA bill bennies needed to be a part 141 program tied to a University degree. I thought the degree was the critical component because it’s part of a University curriculum not the part 141 training aspect.
Hannah
No Hannah, I’m pretty sure they can be used if it’s a 141 program regardless of whether it’s attached to a degree program or not.
Doesn’t help with the R-ATP reduced mins however.
Adam
I don’t mind the minimums, but I sure would like to have the VA foot 60% of the bill…
141 confirmed for Instrument as it’s now on my dashboard.
Another thing I noticed is my Program Outline now says
Best,
Raina
Raina,
Thanks for sharing this update with us. Very interesting times, I hope it will benefit the student a lot and eliminate the check ride timeframe once signed off.
IWA, probably is the location you’re attending.
Brady
Brady,
If I’m currently in KGKY, then you mean I’ll be going to that location for something?
Best,
Raina
Raina,
Unsure then, I would direct that question to Training Support. If you hear from them, please let us know, I’m curious.
Brady
Interesting… I bet this part, having more qualified individuals to conduct the check rides, will help expedite completion of the phase with no delay.
Hannah
