Written Tests Same Day

Hello all,

Does ATP not allow you to take two written tests on the same day at their facilities?
I see a lot of posts about people taking the IRA and FII back to back, yet I was told over the phone I can’t do that.

Tim,

I am afraid you received misinformation. You should be able to do two writtens on the same day, as long as the proctor has avaelaibily. Were you calling training support when you received this information?

Chris

Thanks Chris,
Yes, I was speaking to a training support specialist.
The reason given was due to “investment integrity.”
I can understand that under most circumstances, but not regarding the exams in question.

Tim,

I called training support and asked them to reach out to you. Please let me know when they do.

Chris

Hey Chris, thank you for doing that.
Before I saw this I called ATP and was informed that all scheduling of written tests is now being processed through some third party website (PSI), which I’m attempting to navigate now.

Tim,

Were you able to get the exams booked?

Chris

Yes. Although it’s not nearly as convenient as calling ATP and telling them you’d like to take a test on a day and they arrange it. In any event, FII tomorrow and IRA on Monday is the best I could get.
Thanks for the followup.

Tim

Tim,

I will follow up with management on this one.

Are you also taking the IGI? It is nearly the same as the IRA and FII. Look at this page under the “Optional” section.

https://atpflightschool.com/faqs/acpp-prep-written-knowledge-tests.html

Hi Chris,

I might be wrong, but I think there’s a mistake on the site. It says “take FOI, FIA, FII before school starts since they don’t required an endorsement”.

Shouldn’t it be “take PAR, IRA, and CAX before school starts?”

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Perry,

I looked at the website and read it differently than you did. Can you further clarify where you saw that quote?

Chris

Thank you Jordan!!

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I think my confusion stems from the paragraph heading above saying “Knowledge tests requiring an endorsement”.

So just to confirm, ATP recommends taking PAR, IRA, CAX before the first day of classes and they will endorse you taking those tests even though you have zero flight experience, correct?

Correct but you can also take the others as well.

Adam

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Perry,

The website is right. Let me rephrase.

None of the written tests are required to be taken before starting the program. The written exams can be taken during the program. However, there are benefits to taking them early.

Aside from relieving yourself of the stress of having to take the exams during the program, if you want a free 1-year subscription to ForeFlight, take the PAR, IRA and CAX before the program to receive this benefit.

If you have time to take more tests, you can take the FOI, FIA and FII. These tests are required to be taken before CFI School. CFI School is towards the end of the Airline Career Pilot Program.

The AGI and IGI are completely optional. They are not required to be taken before, during or after the ACPP. Take them if you want to become a Gold Seal CFI.

Tory

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Hey Chris,

I hadn’t considered taking the IGI, basically because I don’t want to pay for it at this point.
In other news, I took the FII today and, the facility that I went to was able to accommodate me also taking the IRA, which I was originally forced to schedule for Monday through the PSI website. I was their first to take any exams under the new system, but it sounds like once the administrators iron out the kinks, it should be pretty easy moving forward. I guess one annoyance for ATP students is that you’re required to pay upfront through the PSI website, so even if you’re testing at an ATP facility, you’ll have to fill out an expense reimbursement form.

Tim

Tim,

I spoke with ATP administration about this issue today. The changes that were made to scheduling written tests were mandated by the testing provider and apply to all students taking writtens from any flight school. The website is not a third party website, they are the actual testing provider that is approved by the FAA to administer exams. ATP is not thrilled about the change either and is worming on a way to be able to once again directly schedule students. They are also working on a way to not have the students have to pay, then seek reimbursement for the exams, but as this is a brand new system that the testing service began, that is also in the works.

Chris

Hey guys,
I haven’t applied to ATP yet, but I’m wondering if I can get the test endorsements from them even if I haven’t signed for the program yet? Or do I need to be sign up first to access the material and all?

Also, do I need the ipad and the third party apps before starting to study for the knowledge tests as well?

Thanks,
Marwan

Marwan,

I believe to get the test endorsements you need to be an ATP student or at least be registered with a class date. Otherwise all the software and study guide providers will give you an endorsement with proof of successful practice tests.

You don’t need an iPad or any apps, you can simply buy a test prep book if you choose.

Keep in mind the tests are only valid for 2yrs so make sure you do your flight training within that time or you’ll have to retake the exams.

Adam

Thanks Adam,
I’m definitely not planning on sitting on those tests more than a couple of months. Any guides you personally recommend?

Also are they all digital or regular books?

Marwan