Hello! Currently a student at ATP Long Beach location with my private pilot license. I was looking into United’s Aviate cadet program and the prerequisite for admission is your private license. I have researched it and it looks like a good pathway to follow, however, would I be moving too fast if I applied anytime soon? I know there’s a lot going on with the industry and more but I wasn’t sure if I should wait for more ratings/certificates and such. Any advice?
Hi, ive applied to the Aviate program a few months ago. They sent me an email saying they put a pause in interviews but are still accepting applications.
Very recently they sent another email that said they may resume interviews on Q1 2021.
If the prerequisite is only your PPL and you have yours I’d must definitely apply. If the program is currently on hold that’s fine. Companies always like when people express interest early and it’ll get you on their radar.
The only caveat is I’d make that’s all they require. While airlines appreciate interest as soon as you’re eligible, they don’t like applicants who don’t satisfy what they specify as that shows a lack of attention to detail.
I am not sure how Aviate functions, but at least for the envoy one, each rating/cert gets you through multiple levels in the cadet program. I’m sure all of them function the same (including the republic one). Having just a PPL would get you the first interview and some mentorship.
Some of the instructors at my location are in the envoy cadet program, and they get travel benifets and already have a seniority number.
So it’s great to get these benifets very early on. Wouldn’t hurt to apply with just a PPL.
Thanks so much!
I would apply as soon as the program allows you to. It might not do you a whole lot of good, but it certainly would not hurt either. As Adam said, just make sure you actually have the qualifications they are asking for.
Also, remember to update your application as you progress through flight training.
To echo the others, always apply if you are eligible to show interest. That’s true when applying for an airline as well. Apply early and regularly update your application.
What is the typical timeline on the cadet program?
As a second career possibility, I’m in the homework stage of considering the program Through ATP’s flex path. If I complete ATP’s program in the proposed 18 months and am enrolled/apply for the cadet program to work for Envoy, is it likely to have a job after graduating the ATP program or would I expect a time period between graduating the ATP program and actually being hired in?
After completing your training with ATP you still wild need the required 1500hrs needed to fly for the airline. That typically will take 1.5-2yrs on top of the program.
Thank you for that clarification. It’s not really the way it’s portrayed in the literature. So really someone needs to expect a 3-4 year plan to actually earn a living. I imagine that’s even longer when you’re working a full time career alongside this to pay the bills while you’re working to achieve this.
In addition to what Adam said if you plan on doing the flex track program you won’t complete the program in 18 months. Students that are in the fast track program can complete the program in 18 months.
I’m sorry if you felt the literature was unclear. It does state the program takes 18mos to complete after which you will be a professional pilot. By professional they mean getting paid to fly (as an instructor) vs paying as a student. After that the law requires all airline pilots have 1500hrs of flight time (the minimum required for an Airline Transport Pilot license). This is no different than Drs doing a residency or other types of entry level position required for experience for a profession with tremendous responsibility.
I understand, It comes across as though you’re ready to be hired after the 18 month program. It’s a little more challenging to consider knowing that it’s an additional 2 years prior to starting the career that will get you back to appropriate living salary within a couple of years. Just harder for someone changing paths at 42
ok thank you for the clarification, the literature sent to me said 9 months for the fast track and 18 months on the flex program.
I totally understand. It definitely can be a big sacrifice in the beginning (depending on where you are in life) but it’s also a career where you can eventually earn in the mid-high $200ks and have a great time doing it.
It comes down to your priorities and what’s most important to you.
Sorry I should clarify. The fast track does take 9 mo and 18-24mo total to reach 1500.
This is from ATP’s website: " After graduating from the Airline Career Pilot Program, you will be a certificated flight instructor (CFI), allowing you to immediately begin earning an income in your new career and flying as a CFI to gain the 1,500 hours of flight time required by airlines…"
Thank you Tory!
Just came back to this forum for some more advice on these cadet programs. On most applications, it is usually highly recommended to have references when applying. As a private pilot who was just at zero time a few months ago, it is dificult to come up with these references. For instance, United requests two professional and one personal reference. I assume these have to be in the aviation field, correct? Is United really expecting students this early into training have references/connections? I have already received a written letter of recommendation from ATP’s Management Team and my instructor said I could use him as a reference, but that still leaves me stuck searching for two more. Any advice would be appreciated!
I don’t think it has to be aviation related. I believe it can be any professional reference.
For example, I used my landlord for my previous business (a restaurant) as a reference. He can put in a good word for me that I paid rent everytime for two years without being a day late. Shows responsibility.
I would just think of any professional person, such as a college teacher, landlord, boss, supervisor. Anyone who can vouch responsibility, hard working ethic, etc of you.
Dont use: family, friends, someone who you did not notify that they’d be a reference beforehand etc.
Out of curiosity, what cadet program are you applying to right now? To my knowledge, they are all closed due to covid. I know aviate (might) open back the hiring window today.