If I didn’t attend ATP, is it possible to work there as a CFI?
LaMorris
LaMorris,
Soooo let me see if I understand this correctly, you want to do your training elsewhere but want to know if afterwards ATP will take one of their GUARANTEED instructor slots away from one of their students who’s been through, is familiar with and successfully completed, ATP’s training program (not to mention paid $70K) and give it to you? Is that correct?
Adam
That’s correct El Capitan (Although I feel like I know where this is going).
LaMorris
Pretty sure you do. So are you still asking? Really? REALLY? Maybe I need to work harder on my sarcasm? 
Adam
LaMorris,
I just opened the morning paper and a flyer from Burger King fell out. It inspired me and I think I have a good analogy to help with your question (I’m excited!). In the flyer there’s a coupon for free med. fries and a drink with the purchase of a Whopper. Now, do you think if I went to McDonald’s, bought a Big Mac and then went to Burger King and showed them my Big Mac they’d give me the free fries and a drink with the coupon?
Better?
Adam
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I highly doubt it El Capitan 
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LaMorris,
ATP almost never hires CFIs that did their training elsewhere. Think about it, why would they do so when they have a steady stream of newly minted CFIs trained to their exact standards?
Chris
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With all due respect gents, this is published under the ATP job openings on the website.
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My bad. The pilot shortage strikes again. That said it doesn’t mean that they’ll be doing it 2 mos or 2 years from now so I wouldn’t count on it as far as formulating a plan. Oh and btw, I don’t know too many random CFIs out there with 50hrs ME time.
Adamn
I get the mentors are trying to tow the company line here…but hiring CFI’s trained outside your organization can be a really good thing. I have been a pilot 15 years, CFI for 12 years and flown professionally 14 years. I can say without a doubt training programs have greater success through diversity. I have seen really good and bad habits displayed from pilot graduates of ATP, Riddle, UND, OU, SIU, Military etc. None of these programs would survive if they did not hire instructors trained else every now and then. Without that diversity, overtime you get more of the bad then good. Just my .5 cents.
Mark,
You may have your beliefs on this, but ATP believes very strongly on hiring from within and that is what they do.
Chris
Mark,
As Chris said you can believe as you like but no one here is towing any line. The ATP program is accelerated and unique to ATP. First do you not think someone who successfully completed the training AT ATP would be better acquainted with the program and second should ATP not reward and take care of their own first?
BTW, If you genuinely want to give input or perspective it might be taken more seriously if didn’t start your rhetoric with the an insult. Just makes you sound bitter.
Adam
Not trying to insult maybe sarcastic should not have said that, I apologize. Obviously the school is changing the way they do business if they are posting this below. Hard to get that experience right out the chute. I would have said to answer the initial question: yes they on occasion do if you are an experienced CFI and that is you niche, as opposed to the sarcasm. This is not indicative of the times, most ATP and other big name school graduates want to go to the airlines fast, not all want to be career CFI’s. That’s not a bad thing, don’t get me wrong. And to meet part 61 requirements, in that kind of environment you have to go outside the walls every now and then.
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Mark,
That position is for somebody who has already been a CFI for two years. Most ATP CFIs are at an airline by that time.
Chris
On the same note… roughly how many students who complete the ACCP program stay for the usual CFI term of ~12-14 months? I’ve known a few who have decided to pursue other ways of building their hours (though none were as fast as sticking with ATP). Just curious.
TX,
I do not know a specific number, but I would say that the vast majority of students stay on as CFIs. As you said, it is by far the most efficient path.
Chris
Hey Guys,
Long time no talk. Getting closer to having the money put away and set up to be able to commit what is needed for ATP. Chris hope all is well over at UA and Adam hope you got back to the B717 I know you were looking at going back and just enjoying the day trips.
Question on this topic. Do you know what a “typical” CFI schedule is like at ATP like # of students under at any given moments, typical hours of dual given (I know 8 in 24 is max),
Sorry if it’s been answered already but I’ve been out of the site for a while.
#AmITooOldToStart
Tom,
While typical can vary greatly the average seems to be about 70-75hrs a month. Highest I’ve been hearing is 100, lowest around 50.
Glad all is well.
Adam
